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	<title>Comments on: Where is Liberty&#8217;s Chastity Belt?</title>
	<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/</link>
	<description>To those who are open to my teaching, more understanding will be given…</description>
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		<title>by: morethanstone</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-229</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Don,  -thanks for the encouragment!
Jamie</description>
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Jamie
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		<title>by: Don Bryant</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-228</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You got so much so right on this one. My brain hurts!! Quite a post. Thanks for ranting and raving. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You got so much so right on this one. My brain hurts!! Quite a post. Thanks for ranting and raving.
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		<title>by: Corrie</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-227</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-227</guid>
					<description>Hi Jamie,

Thanks for your kind words.  I actually cut and pasted the wrong post into the comment box.  I wasn't going to post that publicly,  yet.  I don't have an email address for you but could you delete it for me?  I am just not ready to share that yet.  I am so sorry for the trouble.  I got so little sleep last night and I am making a lot of really dumb mistakes today!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Jamie,</p>
	<p>Thanks for your kind words.  I actually cut and pasted the wrong post into the comment box.  I wasn&#8217;t going to post that publicly,  yet.  I don&#8217;t have an email address for you but could you delete it for me?  I am just not ready to share that yet.  I am so sorry for the trouble.  I got so little sleep last night and I am making a lot of really dumb mistakes today!  <img src='http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: morethanstone</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-223</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-223</guid>
					<description>Corrie

I'm going to take some time to read your blog!  I love meeting people that I feel that I connect on some level with.  

I completely agree with you..on every point-male domination, sexualizing the father/daughter relationship/unequality between the importance of male/female purity.  arghhh.

How old are your kids?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Corrie</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m going to take some time to read your blog!  I love meeting people that I feel that I connect on some level with.  </p>
	<p>I completely agree with you..on every point-male domination, sexualizing the father/daughter relationship/unequality between the importance of male/female purity.  arghhh.</p>
	<p>How old are your kids?
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		<title>by: morethanstone</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-222</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-222</guid>
					<description>Paul--I think you've nailed it on the head-once we've committed to something -all our other choices flow out of that.  I think that's what they call a worldview, isn't it?  Unfortunately, teens don't always have a worldview.  They live so much in the moment.  That is what makes it most difficult and scary to parent them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Paul&#8211;I think you&#8217;ve nailed it on the head-once we&#8217;ve committed to something -all our other choices flow out of that.  I think that&#8217;s what they call a worldview, isn&#8217;t it?  Unfortunately, teens don&#8217;t always have a worldview.  They live so much in the moment.  That is what makes it most difficult and scary to parent them.
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		<title>by: Corrie</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-219</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-219</guid>
					<description>Jamie, love your blog and your rant!  I just discovered your blog and it feels like I have found someone who I can really relate to!  :-)  I just read through a bunch of your latest posts and I have been so blessed.  

I have always been kind of &quot;creeped out&quot; by this purity ball thing.  I agree that purity is a good thing and so is having a good relationship with one's father but this goes way too far, imnsho.  I have 6 girls (and 4 boys) and we have talked about this concept and they would be very uncomfortable with a whole event having to do with their pledge not to have sex.  That is a personal thing.  

I think you nailed it when you talked about objectification and male domination over female sexuality.   I wonder why they do not have mom and son events?  What about the son's purity?  Is this not sending a message of a double standard?  Why is the daughter pledging chastity to her father?  Shouldn't this be something that a person does in privacy; just between them and God?  

I think this whole thing could be used to one's advantage in some very unhealthy relationships.  It sexualizes the father/daughter relationship. 

I think father/daughter events are great but not when they are centered around the daughter's sexuality.

Where is the mother in all this talk about sex with the daughter?  I don't see her presence in any of it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jamie, love your blog and your rant!  I just discovered your blog and it feels like I have found someone who I can really relate to!  <img src='http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I just read through a bunch of your latest posts and I have been so blessed.  </p>
	<p>I have always been kind of &#8220;creeped out&#8221; by this purity ball thing.  I agree that purity is a good thing and so is having a good relationship with one&#8217;s father but this goes way too far, imnsho.  I have 6 girls (and 4 boys) and we have talked about this concept and they would be very uncomfortable with a whole event having to do with their pledge not to have sex.  That is a personal thing.  </p>
	<p>I think you nailed it when you talked about objectification and male domination over female sexuality.   I wonder why they do not have mom and son events?  What about the son&#8217;s purity?  Is this not sending a message of a double standard?  Why is the daughter pledging chastity to her father?  Shouldn&#8217;t this be something that a person does in privacy; just between them and God?  </p>
	<p>I think this whole thing could be used to one&#8217;s advantage in some very unhealthy relationships.  It sexualizes the father/daughter relationship. </p>
	<p>I think father/daughter events are great but not when they are centered around the daughter&#8217;s sexuality.</p>
	<p>Where is the mother in all this talk about sex with the daughter?  I don&#8217;t see her presence in any of it.
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		<title>by: Paul</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-218</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-218</guid>
					<description>Thanks Jamie, much as i love your rants I love your reflections even more... some real powerful wise words, ty!

One of the things that struck me recently was about commitment  - that once we make a choice about what to commit our lives to then sex and other parts of who we are become shaped by that choice.  I find it fascinating that the only way that the TV series Friends could end happily was in seeing so many of the cast in committed married relationships - that seemed to be the answer that happiness in the end = commitment.

what do you think?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Jamie, much as i love your rants I love your reflections even more&#8230; some real powerful wise words, ty!</p>
	<p>One of the things that struck me recently was about commitment  - that once we make a choice about what to commit our lives to then sex and other parts of who we are become shaped by that choice.  I find it fascinating that the only way that the TV series Friends could end happily was in seeing so many of the cast in committed married relationships - that seemed to be the answer that happiness in the end = commitment.</p>
	<p>what do you think?
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		<title>by: morethanstone</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-216</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-216</guid>
					<description>Paul, I wish I knew that I have done the right thing to empower my girls...I know that I've gotten caught up at times in the conservatism of the right.  When I talk about sex with my girls (AND I do!) I just try to be as honest as I know how.  God is not a prude.  Sex is great.  God isn't this great big killjoy.  However, He made these rules, such as no sex till marriage because He knows what's best for us.  Unplanned pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases yada yada.  But for girls, the thing that I've stressed the most is that when we get sexually involved with someone, we give a piece of our heart away, that we can never get back.  There's something mystical about sex, in my opinion, and that's why it is so fabulous and so powerful.  

Since I'm not a guy, and i don't have any boys, I don't know how a guy feels when they have sex.  I don't know if there are always the deeper emotional ties going on.  My husband tells both my girls and I that guys can leave sex to the &quot;physical&quot; realm, so I guess I have to believe him.

I don't know if this is any great answer, but it's the only thing that I've known to do.  My girls are questioners, and I want them to be.  I want them to understand that God just doesn't set down &quot;rules&quot; for us for no reason.  He wants Shalom for us--shalom in the jewish sense of the word-wholeness.  Purity for purity's sake, misses the point.  We can be pure and completely un-whole, if you know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Paul, I wish I knew that I have done the right thing to empower my girls&#8230;I know that I&#8217;ve gotten caught up at times in the conservatism of the right.  When I talk about sex with my girls (AND I do!) I just try to be as honest as I know how.  God is not a prude.  Sex is great.  God isn&#8217;t this great big killjoy.  However, He made these rules, such as no sex till marriage because He knows what&#8217;s best for us.  Unplanned pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases yada yada.  But for girls, the thing that I&#8217;ve stressed the most is that when we get sexually involved with someone, we give a piece of our heart away, that we can never get back.  There&#8217;s something mystical about sex, in my opinion, and that&#8217;s why it is so fabulous and so powerful.  </p>
	<p>Since I&#8217;m not a guy, and i don&#8217;t have any boys, I don&#8217;t know how a guy feels when they have sex.  I don&#8217;t know if there are always the deeper emotional ties going on.  My husband tells both my girls and I that guys can leave sex to the &#8220;physical&#8221; realm, so I guess I have to believe him.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is any great answer, but it&#8217;s the only thing that I&#8217;ve known to do.  My girls are questioners, and I want them to be.  I want them to understand that God just doesn&#8217;t set down &#8220;rules&#8221; for us for no reason.  He wants Shalom for us&#8211;shalom in the jewish sense of the word-wholeness.  Purity for purity&#8217;s sake, misses the point.  We can be pure and completely un-whole, if you know what I mean.
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		<title>by: Paul</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-214</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>who needs a purity locket, i find showing any prospective boyfriends my rust shears collection to be very effective... lol.  Hang on a min, i have only got boys ;)

I'm jus wondering Jamie, ol Matt Henry being from a different era and the western world changing us with some much needed critique, how are you teaching your daughters?  I love your misison statement to see them changing the world so how do you empower them to do so?  Forget the crap of the past let's get down to the brass tacks of the hear and now - cos like in 6 yrs i'll be telling my son about sex and i need all the advanced thinking time i can get ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>who needs a purity locket, i find showing any prospective boyfriends my rust shears collection to be very effective&#8230; lol.  Hang on a min, i have only got boys <img src='http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m jus wondering Jamie, ol Matt Henry being from a different era and the western world changing us with some much needed critique, how are you teaching your daughters?  I love your misison statement to see them changing the world so how do you empower them to do so?  Forget the crap of the past let&#8217;s get down to the brass tacks of the hear and now - cos like in 6 yrs i&#8217;ll be telling my son about sex and i need all the advanced thinking time i can get <img src='http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: morethanstone</title>
		<link>http://morethanstone.blogsome.com/2007/02/05/where-is-libertys-chastity-belt/#comment-213</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sonja,
Preach it, girl!  When I went to the Isn't She Beautiful conference, Rob Bell spoke about women in leadership.  He basically said, yes, Gen 3, women were cursed, but the story didn't begin in Gen 3, it began in Gen 1, and we, as Christians are about setting back to rights what got screwed up.  

Thanks for the encouragement. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sonja,<br />
Preach it, girl!  When I went to the Isn&#8217;t She Beautiful conference, Rob Bell spoke about women in leadership.  He basically said, yes, Gen 3, women were cursed, but the story didn&#8217;t begin in Gen 3, it began in Gen 1, and we, as Christians are about setting back to rights what got screwed up.  </p>
	<p>Thanks for the encouragement.
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